Submitted by Jeremy Palmer on Thu, 02/14/2008 - 04:11.
I've retired that site because I felt it offered little value. I hadn't updated the directory since publishing the book. I probably should have kept it online, I believe it had decent PR value.
Thanks for the notification. I'll remove it from the new edition ;)
Submitted by Jeremy Palmer on Thu, 02/14/2008 - 05:56.
Yes, however, online dating has peaked and is on the decline. I rode the wave during the good years, but volume is just a fraction of what it once was. Free dating sites like Plenty of Fish, and social networking sites like Facebook and MySpace have taken a huge chunk of the business.
You can still do well as an online dating affiliate, but you have to temper your expectations and carve out your own niche.
Submitted by karmikbizguy on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 21:36.
Hi Jeremy:
If i remember correctly a huge percentage of your affiliate income was from the dating niche. Are you bailing out of that niche and getting into new ones or kind of getting out of PPC affiliate marketing and focusing on other methods/businesses?
Submitted by karmikbizguy on Mon, 02/18/2008 - 07:38.
Thanks Jeremy. Glad to know you are not shifting out of PPC affiliate marketing altogether. I was not sure where you are going when you said you are giving the ebook away free (not that I know now!)
and what did you say is the category where you are trying to ride the new wave now?
When you say new "online categories" what sources do you use to find new online categories... top selling ebay products? www.trendwatching.com? www.buzz.yahoo.com? venture capital sites? products that are always updated such as electronics, cars, computers?medicines? or heavily researched topics such as meds for cancer? diabetes?
Submitted by Jeremy Palmer on Fri, 02/29/2008 - 17:06.
pogo wrote:
Jeremy, Don't know to where or what your next on line venture might be.
I do have a suggestion though.
I think with your reputation/fame you should look into a set up some what
like Perry Marshall has done over the last 4 or 5 years.
While Perry has a unique writing style I think you could match him stride for stride in the knowledge and the experience factor.
You already have an extensive and loyal following which would be easy to build upon.
This time do it solo, or with a partner of unimpeachable virtue.
Jack/Pogo
My next projects will definitely be solo. I've come to the conclusion after several partnerships that I'm better as a one-man shop. It's just fits my personality better.
Submitted by markgustav on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 16:32.
One thing to keep in mind when pursuing this business model (referall marketing, traffic brokering, affiliate marketing, whatever you want to call it) is that any given niche may get played out over time. Actually, it can happen pretty quickly in certain situations. We had an offer we were promoting in the fall of 2007. We were making fantastic conversions and remarkable profits. We were actually generating over $5k per month in profits.
It was not a get rich quick approach nor was it arbitrage. A solid model. Well, the market changed dramatically for the company we were promoting. 6 months later we've now shut this down because we could barely break even. It was just impossible to get the sale closed once we converted the prospect into a lead.
It was a combination of how this merchant changed their approach to the customer we were referring and how the merchants competition made it difficult for them to succeed.
I guess the point is that even the best money making offers can go away and you've got to have a great attitude and expection about the process of getting a good system in place and repeatedly executing the plan.
We're all in the business of moving eyeballs. Change is inevitable but the skills we're learning and honing are very, very valuable. If our PPC skills are good. If our understanding of how to present value to searchers/surfers/visitors is good. Then we are going to be successful at closing sales. Whatever the offer may be.
Submitted by Jeremy Palmer on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 17:52.
Good points Mark. The target is always moving. Affiliate marketing income can be residual, but it's seldom permanent. The marketplace is too dynamic, but if you stay ahead of it you'll be rewarded. Affiliates are 2x more agile and inventive than most marketers, which is a huge advantage.
"I guess the point is that even the best money making offers can go away and you've got to have a great attitude and expection about the process of getting a good system in place and repeatedly executing the plan."
Well said!
Multiple streams of income seems to be the name of the game, and with several affiliate marketing networks, with hundreds of merchant programs each; one could and should build a diverse portfolio of reputable merchants, creating several legs to stand on when others break.
Submitted by danlifeisfun on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 18:03.
My website utahsingles.com used to generate a six figure annual income (many years ago).
But as Jeremy pointed out, the social networking sites are free and have had a negative impact on the "pay" sites like Match and eHarmony. Their traffic and revenue will continue to erode as the social sites continue to grow.
I predict you may see some of these sites adapt by becoming "free" social sites and living off the Ad revenue generated by their brand name.
Sadly, my site only makes a fraction of what it used to. But as long as it keeps generating income I will keep it open.
You can still make as "decent" income promoting the bigger dating sites but it takes a lot of effort.
Cant find your dating site?!
I've retired that site because I felt it offered little value. I hadn't updated the directory since publishing the book. I probably should have kept it online, I believe it had decent PR value.
Thanks for the notification. I'll remove it from the new edition ;)
Best,
Jeremy
Cant find your dating site?!
Jeremy, Wasn't your dating site one of your best income earners at the time? Jack/Pogo
Cant find your dating site?!
Yes, however, online dating has peaked and is on the decline. I rode the wave during the good years, but volume is just a fraction of what it once was. Free dating sites like Plenty of Fish, and social networking sites like Facebook and MySpace have taken a huge chunk of the business.
You can still do well as an online dating affiliate, but you have to temper your expectations and carve out your own niche.
Cant find your dating site?!
Hi Jeremy:
If i remember correctly a huge percentage of your affiliate income was from the dating niche. Are you bailing out of that niche and getting into new ones or kind of getting out of PPC affiliate marketing and focusing on other methods/businesses?
Thanks.
Cant find your dating site?!
I've just shifted my focus to new online categories. I always try to catch the wave that's rising. No sense in letting the wave crash on top of you ;)
Best,
Jeremy
Cant find your dating site?!
Thanks Jeremy. Glad to know you are not shifting out of PPC affiliate marketing altogether. I was not sure where you are going when you said you are giving the ebook away free (not that I know now!)
and what did you say is the category where you are trying to ride the new wave now?
.....hey I tried :lol:
new online categories
When you say new "online categories" what sources do you use to find new online categories... top selling ebay products? www.trendwatching.com? www.buzz.yahoo.com? venture capital sites? products that are always updated such as electronics, cars, computers?medicines? or heavily researched topics such as meds for cancer? diabetes?
Cant find your dating site?!
Jeremy, Don't know to where or what your next on line venture might be.
I do have a suggestion though.
I think with your reputation/fame you should look into a set up some what
like Perry Marshall has done over the last 4 or 5 years.
While Perry has a unique writing style I think you could match him stride for stride in the knowledge and the experience factor.
You already have an extensive and loyal following which would be easy to build upon.
This time do it solo, or with a partner of unimpeachable virtue.
Jack/Pogo
Cant find your dating site?!
My next projects will definitely be solo. I've come to the conclusion after several partnerships that I'm better as a one-man shop. It's just fits my personality better.
Can't find your dating site?!
One thing to keep in mind when pursuing this business model (referall marketing, traffic brokering, affiliate marketing, whatever you want to call it) is that any given niche may get played out over time. Actually, it can happen pretty quickly in certain situations. We had an offer we were promoting in the fall of 2007. We were making fantastic conversions and remarkable profits. We were actually generating over $5k per month in profits.
It was not a get rich quick approach nor was it arbitrage. A solid model. Well, the market changed dramatically for the company we were promoting. 6 months later we've now shut this down because we could barely break even. It was just impossible to get the sale closed once we converted the prospect into a lead.
It was a combination of how this merchant changed their approach to the customer we were referring and how the merchants competition made it difficult for them to succeed.
I guess the point is that even the best money making offers can go away and you've got to have a great attitude and expection about the process of getting a good system in place and repeatedly executing the plan.
We're all in the business of moving eyeballs. Change is inevitable but the skills we're learning and honing are very, very valuable. If our PPC skills are good. If our understanding of how to present value to searchers/surfers/visitors is good. Then we are going to be successful at closing sales. Whatever the offer may be.
Good points Mark. The target
Good points Mark. The target is always moving. Affiliate marketing income can be residual, but it's seldom permanent. The marketplace is too dynamic, but if you stay ahead of it you'll be rewarded. Affiliates are 2x more agile and inventive than most marketers, which is a huge advantage.
"I guess the point is that
"I guess the point is that even the best money making offers can go away and you've got to have a great attitude and expection about the process of getting a good system in place and repeatedly executing the plan."
Well said!
Multiple streams of income seems to be the name of the game, and with several affiliate marketing networks, with hundreds of merchant programs each; one could and should build a diverse portfolio of reputable merchants, creating several legs to stand on when others break.
Yes, online dating is dying.
My website utahsingles.com used to generate a six figure annual income (many years ago).
But as Jeremy pointed out, the social networking sites are free and have had a negative impact on the "pay" sites like Match and eHarmony. Their traffic and revenue will continue to erode as the social sites continue to grow.
I predict you may see some of these sites adapt by becoming "free" social sites and living off the Ad revenue generated by their brand name.
Sadly, my site only makes a fraction of what it used to. But as long as it keeps generating income I will keep it open.
You can still make as "decent" income promoting the bigger dating sites but it takes a lot of effort.